tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7025879594950410143.post7730780636841448640..comments2023-10-31T18:07:19.702+00:00Comments on the old jaw jaw: Savita's death reveals a cultural problem, not a legal oneallamahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08866852147657326822noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7025879594950410143.post-53848912421377685092012-11-27T13:03:08.872+00:002012-11-27T13:03:08.872+00:00Sadly for the possibility of this descending into ...Sadly for the possibility of this descending into a BIG ANGRY BLOG WAR, having slept on it I've come to the conclusion that you're actually right. So thank you for that!<br /><br />Also - I didn't mean to single Ireland out as some kind of uniquely anti-abortion culture and I@m sorry if it came across that way.<br /><br />So thank you for keeping me honest - also, I'm really enjoying your blog! allamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08866852147657326822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7025879594950410143.post-49503046695875044342012-11-26T12:36:30.139+00:002012-11-26T12:36:30.139+00:00The thing is that they, well, would be. No amendme...The thing is that they, well, would be. No amendment to the constitution would be necessary, yes. But we are absolutely in need of laws to protect people in situations like Savita's. It's the lack of legislation that caused her death.<br /><br />I don't want to harp on on this- and Ireland does have a major cultural problem re abortion- but the lack of legislation for the X Case is something that pro-choice activists here have been arguing will lead to deaths like Savita's for years. I've a post with a shedload of links on it <a href="http://considertheteacosy.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/the-x-case-lets-get-legislation/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />And y'know, I'm well aware that we're arguing for exactly the same thing here. And I agree with 90% of what you're saying. But many places have cultural issues with abortion. Here, though, it's the legalities- the lack of actual <i>laws</i> in place- that are killing people and forcing them overseas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7025879594950410143.post-6394728302939876282012-11-26T12:10:52.542+00:002012-11-26T12:10:52.542+00:00I completely agree that legislation is absolutely ...I completely agree that legislation is absolutely essential (and your point about constitutional provisions as opposed to legislation is solid - thank you for the correction). I wasn't arguing that there isn't a legal issue, just that technically, in this case, no extra laws would have been necessary to save Savita's life.<br /><br />Thanks for reading.allamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08866852147657326822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7025879594950410143.post-38301289315812806622012-11-26T11:03:22.683+00:002012-11-26T11:03:22.683+00:00I get where you're coming from with this, but ...I get where you're coming from with this, but I have to disagree. It <i>is</i> a legal problem as well as a cultural one. The equal right to life of the pregnant person is something provided for by a (twenty year old) Supreme Court interpretation of the Constitution, yes. But because of the lack of legislation- the lack of actual laws- doctors still risk prosecution if they perform a termination. <br /><br />There's a lot that's in the Constitution that isn't legislated for, and is therefore generally ignored. Like, say, the clause stating that women have a special place within the home (not kidding!). The Constitution is just the framework around which we legislate- it's not the laws themselves. It just tells us what legislation we can and can't have. <br /><br />I definitely agree that Ireland has a major cultural problem around abortion- although the depth of protest in the past week indicates, to me, that public opinion is far more reasonable than pundits would have you believe. However, saying that it's a cultural as opposed to legal issue is ignoring the voices of Irish pro-choice activists. We've been campaigning for decades to get the law changed to allow for abortion. We know that it doesn't. As long as doctors can hide behind Irish law- which they <i>can</i>, we have a legal problem here. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7025879594950410143.post-5564028258553633232012-11-25T20:53:07.935+00:002012-11-25T20:53:07.935+00:00Thanks Deb :-)Thanks Deb :-)allamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08866852147657326822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7025879594950410143.post-66605792707500218162012-11-23T17:28:35.023+00:002012-11-23T17:28:35.023+00:00thank you for putting such an articulate voice to ...thank you for putting such an articulate voice to such an upsetting topic. well done.dwerrleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05917174708039425122noreply@blogger.com